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04-13-2004, 03:44 PM
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SENIOR MODERATOR SOG Member FT Professional, Author '03 Finalist, PSofATL '02 Finalist, PSofATL '02 1st Place, WCSPA '01 Honors, WCSPA Featured in Artists Mag.
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Unfortunately the Artist-Museum Partnership Act, aka Artists Fair Market Valuation Bill failed to pass the House this past season. No guesses on whether or when it might resurface.
Also unfortunately, your client who purchases a painting from you for $5K and then donates it will receive his maximum allowable deduction.
Don't even get me started on this.
The only way to deal with this, I think, is to donate a gift certificate for a partial credit toward a commission, of for a less costly commission (eg charcoal portrait) that has yet to be done, where there is an opportunity for you to realize the balance/ upgrade outside the auction constraints.
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04-13-2004, 04:54 PM
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I guess this gets into "our hours of work are not worth anything." It's the same with web design. For example, if I do a web site for someone and they refuse to pay me at the end, I cannot write that off as a loss. If I host a web site and the client doesn't pay me, I can't write that off as a loss either, even though it's essentially the same as rent.
One year when things were slow around Xmas, I decided to do a web site for the Portrait Society of Atlanta at no charge. I knew they needed one and that they could not afford to pay someone. I had to get a statement from them saying I donated a web site in order for it to be deductible. I couldn't deduct the value of my hours. The whole thing is ridiculous and illogical.
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04-13-2004, 05:13 PM
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OH......DON'T "EVEN".........!!!!!!
This has been a bone of contention with me for eons, even in the sign business.
("Quotation" Alert!)
Bottom line is.....the "powers that be" do NOT really care for Artists ......."all things considered"........ Until of course it's time to honor themselves by getting us contracted to reproduce their selfish mugs in their "ivory towers" on their "hallowed halls."
Forgive my rant if this is not the ideal spot for this kind of venting.
-Gear
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04-13-2004, 06:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geary Wootten
Forgive my rant if this is not the ideal spot for this kind of venting.
-Gear
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Rant away! I'm with you!
Garth,
The way I've been handling auctions lately is to auction off a two hour head and shoulders charcoal portrait sitting from life in my studio. I'm very specific about the "studio","two hour" and the "from life" part. This works for me because I really like working from life and I get a victim for whom I don't have to pay an hourly fee. I don't have to travel, do a photo shoot or torture myself with composition questions. I love getting to know people this way - I have had some amazing conversations.
I've discovered there's a world of difference between a hired professional artist model and a "real person"; that is, real people usually don't sit as well. This is especially true if the victim is a child.(Some artists use television as a distraction but I'm resisting this.)
The best case scenario is that people show up in my studio, see the oils hanging around, say to themselves "Hmmm... why not an oil painting?" In this case I give them a discount toward the price of an oil portrait instead of doing the charcoal portrait, although, come to think of it, I always try to do a charcoal head from life during a commission anyway.
The worst case scenario is that people don't bother to collect on the certificate, which can also happen.
By the way, I'm in contact with a lot of people who run local charities and I'm always amazed that NOBODY is aware of these horrendous tax laws which affect artists so adversely.
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04-14-2004, 05:47 PM
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Well, talk about rants...don't get me started...but started I have. I had one nightmare situation where the same family bid on my donations at 2 different auctions, one for each child. The horror!
The good part was they ended up having 4 children...
You are so right Linda about how absolutely CLUELESS the committees are about the tax laws!
However, despite my often dicey situations, auctions have provided my business the necessary kick start when I began to focus on portraiture. Now, I just offer pencil sketches to charities.
Wishing you all the best,
Stanka
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04-15-2004, 10:13 PM
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Taxes? forgeddaboudit!
I have had the best marketing results with the donation/demo. When I donate a $200 small portrait or equal value TOWARD a larger piece, not only have I had my bread cast upon the water come back doubled as in a $650 piece hence the $450 income, but the charity has seemed to always get full market value for the donation. Just two weeks ago, I was auctioned with a "buy it now for 120%" and they got $240 for me! The buyer whispered he was upgrading and had even explained the subject (taboo: pet) had been painted a couple of times before by high end painters but had not captured what he saw in the eyes of his animal. My demo on the spot (of a human and his jet, not a puppy, by the way) showing my technique and process as well as a few pieces worked wonders.
I have stopped papering the donation market, as the tax benefit is a scam. I have donated to charities I believe in and found some karmic boon from the experience.
Final thought.
If you have a patron pursuing you for a donation, explain the tax problem and tell them they can buy a sample piece FROM you which they may donate. Or, I suppose, the gift certificate which will net them the tax break and you the business.
I kind of believe in the charity part of it so I never regret the loss of business. Only if nobody redeems it. I would be painting SOMETHING anyway, why not help a cause?
dj*
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04-17-2004, 11:07 PM
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Stanka wrote:
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...auctions have provided my business the necessary kick start when I began to focus on portraiture.
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Same here!
My tax accountant has advised me that I may deduct the donations at fair market value as "advertising expense" (not as charitable donations, due to the above mentioned tax laws). That is how I have handled these donations for the past two tax years.
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