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Old 11-24-2008, 03:28 PM   #1
Amanda Grosjean Amanda Grosjean is offline
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Michelle,

I got the impression from reading some earlier threads that you have quite a few commissions that are out of town. If this is correct, what percentage would you say this is (out of curiosity)? Have you called about private school auctions (as you suggested to Patricia) in other towns or did you happened to get one commission and you got more from word of mouth in that area? I am assuming that you are not compensated for that drive to the auction or the subsequent portrait commission since it is a donation. Isn't this a risk considering that from some of the other posts on this thread, auctions aren't a sure thing or a safe bet?
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:39 PM   #2
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Almost all my commissions are out of town these days and I haven't done an auction in several years. My out of town clients find me through the portrait agency I work with, through word of mouth, or on the web.
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:44 PM   #3
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I would love some of your views on attending the auction. Do you insist? Do you pay for the event or does the event let you be there gratis? This has always troubled me, because I often cannot afford the expensive tickets. Usually a family member or friend commit to taking care of my portrait and talking me up.

Another frustration you will find with auctions are the ones who never call for their portrait. Seems hard to believe but I have had three go that way in the past three years. It's a shame because usually when I get a client from an auction they end up purchases portraits of the family, not just one person. Right now this is how I get all my business!
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:32 PM   #4
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Patricia, I'm figuring that that was a question for Michelle but I wanted to add that for one of the auctions the ticket was for a dinner and I was able to attend for free by assuring the people running the auction that this was a business engagement for me and I had no intentions of eating dinner or drinking. I was attending to simply answer questions and sell the idea. I also hinted that it was best for me to be there with the portrait example for insurance purposes. That worked well.

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Old 11-25-2008, 09:40 AM   #5
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good idea!
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Old 11-28-2008, 03:20 PM   #6
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Hi Patti,

Yep, those auctions can definitely go wrong. When possible I want to go do my own set-up and take-down. I want to be sure that everything is displayed properly, that the picture light is on, and that my display stuff doesn't "disappear". Most importantly, I want to review the bid sheet in advance. I have resrictions that I am very clear bout -on the auction form, on the bid sheet, an if someone doesn't see them, I also put up a placard telling exactly what the gift certificate is for - a credit toward, and that the price to the winner to redeem the certificate is to put in the difference.

Despite my being very specific, I occasionally still find an error on the actual bid sheet once it's placed at the auction table, so I want to be sure it is corrected before I leave for the evening.

Still, there will people who don't read it, and think they are getting a giant oil painting of everyone in the family, sigh.

Sometimes I have to depend on the auction committee to handle the display, and I hope for the best.

I have had only one really awful experience - an auction where none of the restriction were stated, and the bidder won a certificate for which she was not eligible. When I called the auction chair later, she said that the auction catalog bid sheet was new, and make a mistake but that she expected me to honor the certificate anyway, because the winnning b idder was important. ( Seems to me that regular donors are pretty important too.) I refused to honor the certificate and suggested she award it to the next highest bidder. The auction chair was very angry- at me. Needless to say, I never again paritcipated in any event the woman chaired.

Regarding the starting price: every auction handles things differently. Some set an opening price at a percentage of the retail value. Some start everything at a common price, say $50 or whatever. Some don't seem to have any plan at all. There are some auctions that look at the event as a way for rich people to get good stuff for next to nothing. Others see auctions as way for rich folks who have a charity donation in mind, amont ito find a fun way to spend it - and , yes, that a charity auction's purpose is to raise money for the charity.

If you give a credit toward purchase, it doesn't matter - (at least to me) if the certificate sells for $10. If you are donating a whole gift - a completed portrait, then it matters much more.There's an advantage to having a lot of completed portraits in homes, but if the family can't afford to really buy one, then it's less likely that their social circle will be in a vastly different economic state. You just have to figure your own market and placement strategy
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:54 PM   #7
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Very good info Chris. I specify what they are bidding on, a one person head and shoulder drawing in graphite with a value of $$$. I have been pretty fortunate to have had the top bidder willing to pay me to do portraits of multiple family members.

I think when it gets up into a higher price bracket, as with oils, it is a whole new ball of wax.

I have had the most luck wth private schools, in wealthy neighborhoods..
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